Comments on: A Composer Breaks Down The Music Theory Behind The Weeknd’s “Take My Breath” https://www.stereogum.com/2158008/the-weeknd-take-my-breath-music-theory/columns/in-theory/ The world's best music blog. Fri, 20 Aug 2021 12:44:50 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.1 By: 123ForMe https://www.stereogum.com/2158008/the-weeknd-take-my-breath-music-theory/columns/in-theory/#comment-21073263 Fri, 20 Aug 2021 12:44:50 +0000 https://www.stereogum.com/?p=2158008#comment-21073263 The fact that anyone finds this song enjoyable or remotely exciting is baffling to me. It’s incredibly just average.

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By: Vivek Maddala https://www.stereogum.com/2158008/the-weeknd-take-my-breath-music-theory/columns/in-theory/#comment-21073226 Fri, 20 Aug 2021 07:57:47 +0000 https://www.stereogum.com/?p=2158008#comment-21073226 In reply to roland1824.

I don’t have perfect (absolute) pitch, but I have good relative pitch. Relative pitch allows me to identify intervals, notes, and chords after hearing a reference pitch. So if you were to play me middle C, for example, I could identify any other note you played after hearing the first note. It’s a useful skill and if you haven’t already developed it, you can with some practice… or you may develop it over time simply by playing and listening to a lot of music.

There’s also something known as pitch memory — a skill that allows you to remember specific pitches, but not necessarily every note. A lot of guitar players, for example, can imagine the sound of an E in their head correctly because they’ve spent years tuning the first string of their instrument to that note. And once they’ve gotten that note, if they have good relative pitch, they can interpolate other notes by calculating the intervallic distances in their head. Sometimes I can find an E without reference, and sometimes middle C. But my pitch memory isn’t great and it’s something I should work on.

Regarding your question about composers using theory versus innate feel: I think it’s usually the latter. In my experience, most people write music and make musical choices based on instinct (I know I do). Theory can come in handy if you’re in a bind and you need to explore a range of possibilities to solve a musical problem or work something out. I think it’s most enjoyable to write and play what sounds or feels good, and then after the fact you can go back and look at its underlying musical architecture and examine why it sounds or feels good. In my view, music theory is simply a set of principles that can help us understand things. I don’t see it as a set of rules or procedures for how to create music (though some people seem to think it is), but rather as a framework with which to understand or communicate concepts.

Thanks for reading!

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By: roland1824 https://www.stereogum.com/2158008/the-weeknd-take-my-breath-music-theory/columns/in-theory/#comment-21073162 Fri, 20 Aug 2021 02:30:02 +0000 https://www.stereogum.com/?p=2158008#comment-21073162 Another fascinating piece I saved for the end of the work day.

We always wonder how much the composers are consciously drawing from theory and how much is just innate feel. With Martin, I would wager there more theory than most. He is supposedly a great singer and used to do make multipart harmony demos for his artists himself. (He figures in the book The Song Machine, if anyone is interested.)

I am curious: do you have perfect pitch yourself? Or do you use relative pitch primarily?

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By: dustrock https://www.stereogum.com/2158008/the-weeknd-take-my-breath-music-theory/columns/in-theory/#comment-21073131 Thu, 19 Aug 2021 23:37:39 +0000 https://www.stereogum.com/?p=2158008#comment-21073131 Brain hurts, in a good way. This is outstanding. Not that you could answer definitively, but how much of the composition is done this way deliberately and how much is just “gut”?

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By: ShadowMorpheus https://www.stereogum.com/2158008/the-weeknd-take-my-breath-music-theory/columns/in-theory/#comment-21073082 Thu, 19 Aug 2021 21:14:34 +0000 https://www.stereogum.com/?p=2158008#comment-21073082 In reply to bakedbeans.

haha You don’t necessarily need to have the vocabulary, but having a better understanding of the music you’re hearing and how it’s affecting the way you hear it can be magical.

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By: ShadowMorpheus https://www.stereogum.com/2158008/the-weeknd-take-my-breath-music-theory/columns/in-theory/#comment-21073080 Thu, 19 Aug 2021 21:12:14 +0000 https://www.stereogum.com/?p=2158008#comment-21073080 music theory! This is possibly my favorite thing Stereogum has ever done. Please do more of them, soon. Didn't make me like this song anymore, but this is such an amazing breakdown of a piece of music. Particularly the intro, job well done with that. Side note: The Shawshank Redemption is easily in my top ten all-time favorite scores. Possibly top five. Loved that you used it as a reference point. Second side note: I've watched The Shawshank Redemption so many times I can hear the character of Brooks doing that monologue in my head while 'Brooks Was Here' plays.]]> I ♥ music theory! This is possibly my favorite thing Stereogum has ever done. Please do more of them, soon. Didn’t make me like this song anymore, but this is such an amazing breakdown of a piece of music. Particularly the intro, job well done with that.

Side note: The Shawshank Redemption is easily in my top ten all-time favorite scores. Possibly top five. Loved that you used it as a reference point.

Second side note: I’ve watched The Shawshank Redemption so many times I can hear the character of Brooks doing that monologue in my head while ‘Brooks Was Here’ plays.

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By: TheNakedLunch https://www.stereogum.com/2158008/the-weeknd-take-my-breath-music-theory/columns/in-theory/#comment-21073035 Thu, 19 Aug 2021 19:45:38 +0000 https://www.stereogum.com/?p=2158008#comment-21073035 Brilliant as always, Vivek. The depth of analysis in this column is thrilling. I also really appreciate the comparisons you provide to other songs that I would never in a thousand years have thought of.

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By: Simone Magus https://www.stereogum.com/2158008/the-weeknd-take-my-breath-music-theory/columns/in-theory/#comment-21073022 Thu, 19 Aug 2021 19:01:27 +0000 https://www.stereogum.com/?p=2158008#comment-21073022 “Good title.” — William Shakespeare

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By: jojothetakerpart2 https://www.stereogum.com/2158008/the-weeknd-take-my-breath-music-theory/columns/in-theory/#comment-21073015 Thu, 19 Aug 2021 18:42:30 +0000 https://www.stereogum.com/?p=2158008#comment-21073015 There’s an alternate theory at play as well

https://twitter.com/RobertParkerSWE/status/1422316829645713412?s=20

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By: Xander Alex H https://www.stereogum.com/2158008/the-weeknd-take-my-breath-music-theory/columns/in-theory/#comment-21073013 Thu, 19 Aug 2021 18:38:45 +0000 https://www.stereogum.com/?p=2158008#comment-21073013 ““Take My Breath” sound an awful lot like they’re using a Roland Juno 106, specifically Bank A, Patch 68, but it’s possible that’s a virtual instrument too.”

To know ANYTHING this well…

Another excellent analysis Vivek, and I hope this remains a weekly column. I’m truly learning something about what makes music tick!

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By: bakedbeans https://www.stereogum.com/2158008/the-weeknd-take-my-breath-music-theory/columns/in-theory/#comment-21073006 Thu, 19 Aug 2021 18:21:18 +0000 https://www.stereogum.com/?p=2158008#comment-21073006 Missed the first two entries in this series, this was such a meaty and engaging read. I’ve never had nearly the musical vocabulary of other music snobs, so this is going to really bring me to my next level!

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By: inthedeadofknight https://www.stereogum.com/2158008/the-weeknd-take-my-breath-music-theory/columns/in-theory/#comment-21073004 Thu, 19 Aug 2021 18:18:38 +0000 https://www.stereogum.com/?p=2158008#comment-21073004 Fuck yes, I love reading these so much, been taking notes every time I read through. It’s still pop but at least it’s pop I like this time. So excited to dig in.

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